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Fly Fishing Canada NRPs / Re: New 2018 NRP scoring model
« Last post by Todd Oishi on Today at 08:15:01 PM »
Thanks for the comments and questions, Clint.

Everyone starts each new season with the same dilemma, but it is their responsibility to try to make it to at least one lake and one river competition at some point during the season if they hope to achieve a higher ranking. In the past, competitors were ranked based on the fact that they could earn points based on a good performance at solely river comps or lake comps, which really doesn't provide accurate data or bode well for FFC's international team selections, as they might lack the ability to perform well in both disciplines, which we all know is essential for a person (and the team) to do well at an international championship that has both types of venues (rivers and lakes).

As for EnDiable missing the registration for this year's NALS... For last year's NALS we actually struggled to get 5 Canadian teams, and in the end, after a lot of digging, phone calls and email, and recruiting on my part, we achieved that number, and yet we still had 2 vacant spots that were available for more Canadian teams to register for that event, but they never did (it was not a sold-out event). I couldn't even convince any of the eastern Canadian teams or individuals to attend...

Registration for this year's NALS was announced well in advance with an explanation provided that registration is accepted on a first come, first served basis, with 6 spots reserved for Canadian teams (even though we struggled to get 5 Canadian teams last year), as we already had an interest expressed from 6 international teams, so we chose to set the limit at 6 international teams in order to allow space for 6 Canadian teams if we could indeed reach that number, which thankfully we did.

As for the ability for competitors to attend the other regional lake and river competitions avross Canada, there is typically no limit set as to the number competitors that can register, but a maximum number of participants is often established closer to the event, once the organizers have a better idea of the amount of interest that there is for those competitions, so they can make the necessary arrangements in order to ensure the event will work (beat selections, numbers of beats, number of competitors in each group, rotations, etc...).

There typically isn't a limit on the number of competitors for any of the other lake competitions that the BCFFL hosts, unless we are restricted by the rules on the number of boats that can be on a venue (private lakes) or by the number of competitors that are able to supply boats.

Registration is, and will always be, accepted on a first come, first serve basis for all of the BCFFL's competitions and championships in order to be fair to all of the competitors, regardless of their skill level or ranking on the Leader Board (it's a League rule). These events are designed to encourage growth in our sport and to potentially recruit more competitors for our Canadian Nationals, so it would be a shame to turn them away in favour of saving spots for top ranked competitors. In a perfect world, we would have a beginner's division and a division for the higher skilled competitors, but we simply don't have the numbers quite yet, and that would only serve to create a division and slow down the progress and knowledge that is learned by the novice and rookie competitors...

As a matter of fact, we haven't had a sold-out event for several years, as there always seems to be a last minute cancellation (by both teams and individuals) that we constantly struggle to fill, and in most cases we simply can't...

It may not be a perfect system, but it is a work in progress...

I hope this answers your questions.


Canít make this one Todd. We will be at Roche from the 4th -11th. Campsite 6 in th resort if anyone is in the neighbourhood and wants to days hi.
Fly Fishing Canada NRPs / Re: New 2018 NRP scoring model
« Last post by Clint Goyette on Today at 04:21:39 PM »
Hi Todd,

I am having fun watching the "NRP slot-machine" at work but I am wondering how does a competitor increase their lake contest NRP if there are no lakes in the Nationals and the lakes from the Nationals last year are not counted?  For example I am unable to go to the LML comps on the lakes. In addition, our team Endiables has not been given the option to even compete in the NALS, yet there are international teams competing in that event that prevent our team from even entering a contest worth significant amounts of NRP's.  Should Canadian Teams get first right to compete especially if they are top competitors?


Team Endiables
Fly Fishing Canada NRPs / Re: New 2018 NRP scoring model
« Last post by Todd Oishi on Today at 10:21:22 AM »
Thank-you for providing your feedback and sharing your thoughts, Gerald! The NRP/Rules committee has worked long and hard developing the new NRP scoring system/guidelines and NRP Leader Board, so any feedback is vey much appreciated! :)

The thing that I like about the new NRP system is that this identifies exactly how the competitors have earned their NRPs, as well as how consistent they have been performing at the competitions that they've attended - this is why I have also been including/posting the NRPs that were earned at all of this season's competitions (as I did on last year's NRP Leader Board's thread).

I personally feel that the new model has been performing well and as expected, based on the 9 competitions that have been held in the various regions across Canada so far (4 in B.C., 3 in Alberta, and 2 in Eastern Canada). The standings on the NRP Leader Board is constantly changing as the season progresses, and will change significantly after the results of the various Regional and Provincial Championships; Nationals; and NALS have been added to the board - with Nationals potentially being be the biggest game changer...

The new model also shows how an inactive competitor(s) can be passed by active competitors, which in my opinion is a good thing, as it should inspire them to become more active and attempt to finish well at the competitions that they attend before the conclusion of the season. It also seems to be having the effect of increasing the number of competitions that are being scheduled, as well as the number of participants that attend those competitions, which was one of our main objectives when the old system was dismantled and overhauled.

Another great result of the new changes is that it is now possible for a competitor that had a poor placing or was absent on the previous season's Leader Board to achieve a respectable placing on the current year's NRP Leader Board, which we felt was extremely important for identifying the outstanding rookies; the up and coming competitors; and competitors that have really "Stepped up their game". The tighter point gap for the NRPs that are awarded between the placings at all competitions definitely helps to make this possible.

The new model will no longer allow a competitor to sit back and coast, based on a single victory or high placing on the Leader Board during the previous season. Using myself as an example; I started off this season in the top position, based on my results from last year's comps, but have not done anything really spectacular so far this season (I'm competing with an injury), so I've dropped down to 8th place and will be bumped down even further after National's results have been added next month. I can however pull myself back up in the standings once I'm feeling 100% and if can manage a decent finish at the B.C. Provincials in July or NALS in the fall, so the knowledge of this fact, and being able to do my own calculations to understand what is possible, keeps me inspired, as I know that anything is possible before the end of this season!

I am also pleased to see an increase in the number of competitions that are taking place in Alberta, as well as the number of rookies that have been participating at the competitions in all of the regions across Canada at this point in the season! I have been told by a number of competitors that they are really excited to see their results being posted and updated on a regular basis on the Leader Board (it's very inspirational and motivating for them), as well as the clearer picture that they have of the point values that have been awarded at all of the competitions that they've been attending or monitoring from afar.

I can confidently say that Fly Fishing Canada's selection committees has a very effective tool for identifying and selecting competitors for our national teams, as they can clearly see whether the top ranked competitors that are applying are stronger at one particular discipline of angling or equally strong at both (rivers and lakes), which is absolutely critical when selecting and building a team from a large group of applicants. The new scoring model will definitely eliminating the "one hit wonder" scenario (a single top finish at a high value competition), but most importantly... it recognizes a competitor's achievement based on their most current performances at both river and lake angling competitions, which is extremely important information to have when the selection committees are attempting to build our National Fly Fishing Teams for future World and Commonwealth Fly Fishing Championships!

Thanks again for starting this thread!

No translation is needed, self explanatory.
Fly Fishing General Discussions / Re: How small a nymph must be?
« Last post by Mike Bacca on May 22, 2018, 10:34:11 AM »
Here in Southern Colorado we primarily use size 18 to 24 for our midges and nymphs. Any larger and it doesn't look natural or a good imitation. On the other hand we use from 10 to 4 for our woolly buggers and streamers.
Updated with the results of FFC# 2018-9: Chateauguay Comp Results (2 river sessions)...
Fly Fishing General Discussions / Re: How small a nymph must be?
« Last post by Alex Argyros on May 22, 2018, 07:45:49 AM »
Here on the Guadalupe in Texas, everyone says that you must go very small to catch trout.  As a result, people routinely fish size 22 and 24 midges.

I, on the other hand, fish primarily with size 14 and 16 nymphs and do well enough.  Lately, I've been smitten with perdigon nymphs, which allow one to fish small and deep.
Fly Fishing General Discussions / Re: How small a nymph must be?
« Last post by Chris Puchniak on May 22, 2018, 07:11:17 AM »
Its pretty rare I think here to go smaller than a 16.  Occasionally an 18 or 20, but I don't know how necessary that is to do.  I would say 12-14's are the norm here.
Fly Fishing General Discussions / How small a nymph must be?
« Last post by Alex Berger on May 22, 2018, 05:21:07 AM »
Hi Fellows,       I have never tied a nymph under # 18, and I usually nymph with #12 and 14.   I was wondering how small the nymph must be?  Do you nymph with size #18 and smaller in BC?

thank you for your comments

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